Wanna party? New mini-grant program will help

Good things happen when people get together. That’s why Norwood Together is launching a mini-grant program to support block parties across the city.

The Block Party Mini-Grants will offer informational and financial support to Norwood residents who want to organize a block party with their neighbors. Grantees will have access to a Block Party Guide created by Norwood Together as well as community experts. Cash grants can be used for food, non-alcoholic drinks, entertainment, or invitations.

Any Norwood resident can apply for a Block Party Mini-Grant. The applications will open in March.

A committee will be awarded on an equal basis across all four wards of Norwood. The goal is to have parties happening throughout the summer and fall all over the city.

Tim and Vicki Garry issued a challenge to other residents when they donated the money to start the program. They will match up to $2,500 in donations. If the total amount is raised — $5,000 — Norwood Together will be able to offer the Block Party Mini-Grant Program for at least two years.

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Community Councils return March 24

Community Councils are monthly gatherings that give residents in each of Norwood’s four wards a chance to create productive and meaningful connections among their neighbors and with city leaders.

Community Councils always take place at 7 p.m. on the fourth Thursday of each month. Last year, to reduce the likelihood of covid spread, most meetings were outdoors and Community Councils went on hiatus through the winter months.

The gatherings return March 24 with a special opportunity to tour the new Norwood Recreation Center!

Beginning at 6 p.m., recreation center staff will be on hand to give tours and answer any questions people might have about classes or activities. Recreation Director Michael Gabbard will be the guest speaker for the Community Council gathering, which will begin at 7 p.m.

Attendees also will be able to connect with City Council members, talk with their neighbors, and ask questions and share ideas about the city.

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Honoring the Gems of Norwood

More than a dozen volunteers and a local restaurant will be recognized for their significant positive contributions to Norwood at the city’s first Gems of The Community Celebration on Thursday, February 24. 

The awards ceremony is organized by Norwood Together, a nonprofit community development organization, and presented by the Ventura Builders Group. The free community celebration begins at 5:30 p.m. and also will give attendees a chance to explore The Ventura, 4557 Montgomery Road, a vacant bank building that the Ventura Group transformed into an events center. 

The Gems of The Community award winners were nominated by fellow Norwood residents. They are business owners and volunteers, pastors and school boosters, designers and scientists. They are people who show up and are an example to others. 

“Norwood is a strong community because it’s full of people and groups working together to get things done,” said Mary C. Miller, president of Norwood Together. “We make things happen. We take care of each other. But we don’t always take time to celebrate that hard work and dedication. 

“That’s what the Gems of The Community awards are,” Miller added. “A chance to honor the people and organizations making a difference in our city.

Gems Legacy Award: Donna Laake
Donna has dedicated time to Norwood through personal volunteering and political service. She has helped lead nonprofits that help plant trees, clean up the city, and revitalize parks. Donna has been involved in various community events and organizations such as her close involvement with the Norwood Historical Society and the Norwood Business and Professional Women’s Club. She helped find funding for the new basketball courts at Waterworks and was a dedicated leader in the court’s art mural. Even in her retirement she has never hesitated to jump in and help the city in any way she can, even helping to administer the Covid-19 vaccine to the community. She has a long standing involvement in the city and knows the city of Norwood inside and out. Susan Daniels says, “She is a no brainer candidate [for the Gem of the Community Awards]”.

Gems Business Award: Indian Mound Cafe
The Indian Mound Cafe owners have invested in the success of Norwood organizations such as the Norwood Police Association, Norwood Fire Association, Norwood Athletics, various golf outings, and Gem of the Highlands 5K. They support all community partners by helping with meals for employees and students. Julie and Sheila encourage the use of their private party room to be a space for fundraisers and community events. They generously contribute lunches to the Vietnam Veteran Society. One of the owners, Sheila, received a service award for her work with the group. Recently after observing a funeral gathering at the restaurant, Stephanie Downs wrote, “What an important space they are providing for people who are grieving… They make people feel safe and loved and comfortable to be themselves.” Overall the Indian Mound Cafe is driven everyday by their owners who demonstrate care and devotion to making your dining experience easy, affordable, and tasty while also doing all they can to support the city. 

Robin Cox
Nominated by Mary C Miller and Megan Carl
Robin is a graphic designer with a clear passion to improve communication across Norwood. She displays a commitment to her city by actively supporting positivity and providing creative, fresh ideas to events such as the Historic Home Tour and Norwood Day. Robin always holds a smile on her face and listens attentively. Robin initiated the “What’s Happening” flyer/webpage, taking it on herself to contact businesses, schools, and community groups, collect information about their events, and share it across the city to better inform Norwood. Norwood Together President Mary C. Miller says, “I’m not sure where we would go for such professional work at no cost. Robin is a true gift to our community and her service is amazing.”

J. Ian Mathews and Lindsey Kemna Mathews
Nominated by Tim Garry Jr.
Lindsey and Ian Mathews, along with their young children, have been deeply engaged in community development, generously contributing their time and talent to several ongoing Norwood Community projects, including the Hudson/Floral micropark, several neighborhood clean-ups, spending weekend hours cutting the honeysuckle out of the Lindner Park and McCullough Estate Nature Preserve, and helping with the Williams Avenue Community Garden. The family makes active volunteering in the community fun for all. Tim Garry Jr. says, “Lindsey and Ian have been modeling community improvement and service to their young children, serving our community as a young family, with boundless energy, enthusiasm, commitment, and humility, over the last few years. They have sunk roots here, making our community a better place to live.”

Jon Moore
Nominated by Alisha Loch
Jon is an active member of the Norwood community and a director of digital media services at Mount St. Joseph University. He has a talent for processing information and a passion for his city, a combination which often leads to collecting and spreading valuable information to the community. Jon is also a landlord and dedicates hours of effort towards making Norwood a better place to live. He organized the development of the Hudson/Floral micropark and supported other community projects, such as connecting Wasson Way. Jon maintains a podcast called Move Norwood Forward and runs a blog by the same name where he discusses how to improve the quality of life in Norwood with enthusiastic ideas about the future of Norwood. Alisha Loch highlighted Jon’s open mind toward new ideas and enthusiasm for change. 

Stella Harrison
Nominated by Alisha Loch
Stella is a 10-year-old with a love for Norwood and a passion for change. She has created a pay-as-you-can newsletter, Norwood News, which she reports, writes, organizes, and distributes with some help from her mom. She has published four issues and garnered more than 60 subscribers with her mission to connect the people of Norwood to what’s happening in our city. Alisha Loch says that, “In one issue she addressed the Little Lending Library being taken over by adult books that didn’t seem to ever be swapped out. Her activism in bringing attention to that got the right people involved and the library box cleaned out and stocked with books for young people.” Stella is an exciting example of entrepreneurship in our city’s youth and is not only enriching her own mind, but helping Norwood grow as well. 

Ian Davis
Nominated by Jill Stoxen and Emily Franzen
Ian is an Eagle Scout, the highest rank possible in a Boy Scouts program, and a senior in high school who has made a name for himself with ambitious ideas for improving Norwood as part of his capstone project and regularly volunteering in the city. Jill Stoxen highlights the work Ian has done for Norwood by saying, “Ian Davis initiated the renovation, clean-out and beautification of the Norwood Community Center as his Eagle Scout project. The casting of vision, organization of volunteers, fundraising efforts, and community engagement set him apart as an outstanding young man in our community.” He is a rising star who has taken his ideas about the potential of Norwood and produced a result that will better his community for generations, on top of being an active volunteer for Baby Bear Free Shop and the Lindner Park Clean-up. 

The Daniel Family
Nominated by Cameron Kelley
Dennis is the parent of a Norwood Marching Indians Alumni who, with the help of his wife, Shaun, daughter, Katie, and son, Denny, has selflessly prepared and served meals to all members of the Norwood Marching Indians and their families at every band competition for more than a decade. They continue to do so long after the children have graduated. They feed more than 50 people at every event and prepare all the food out of their own home. Cameron Kelley notes, “Dennis is always smiling, encouraging our youth, and spending his own time and resources to make this happen.” Dennis also serves on the booster’s committee for planning the annual competition at Shea stadium and coordinating logistics and parking of all the bands and their equipment. He has been a cherished member of the Norwood Marching Indians community for years. 

Lois Schneider
Nominated by Cameron Kelley
Lois Schneider is a staple of the Norwood community and has always been an active volunteer in her city. She and her husband, George, raised their six children here, and Lois gave her time to the Boy Scouts and various sporting activities in which her children were involved. Since then she has coordinated the children’s programming for the Fourth of July fireworks at Shea Stadium, as well as helped make the Holy Trinity festival happen every year. She also has made an impact volunteering as a tutor with our local Whiz Kids site and has given hours of her time at the former Zion food pantry. Lois is a loyal volunteer at Baby Bear and is there every time the doors are open. Now that the Rec Center is open she can be found volunteering there every Tuesday.  She can be seen at every annual Norwood Marching Indians band competition at Shea. Cameron Kelley says, “She’s a true ambassador for Norwood and we’re a much better city due to her countless hours of giving!”

Amy Wolfinbarger
Nominated by Summer King and Amanda Wolfinbarger
Amy is active in the political scene of Norwood and demonstrated her clear care for the people of Norwood through a persistent push for change for years. She has organized events and advocated for others through an initiative she presented twice before it was approved. The city of Norwood showed their appreciation and support for Amy and the ordinance passed. Amy can often be seen picking up trash in Norwood parks and along the streets and helps others access the help they need by providing valuable information and even opening up her home. She is a volunteer and activist in the city, described as a “selfless citizen of Norwood.”

Sonny and Kristen James
Nominated by Chris Kelsch, Sen. Cecil Thomas, and Michele R. Riddle
Bishop Sonny James and Pastor Kristen James are community leaders who promote change in the city. Kristen shows care for the children of Norwood’s future and works to enrich the lives of families across the city with her dedicated volunteering with Toys for Tots, food share programs, and her partnership with Xavier University to give underserved youth the chance for a brighter future. Sonny stepped up and showed a strong commitment to the Norwood community in a time of need. With the devastation of racial injustices and tensions rising across the country, Sonny chose to bring about positivity and encouraged a conversation about race using his platform to create the Hearing Every Perspective events, where city leaders, police, and residents of all backgrounds were invited to have healthy discussion to strengthen our community. Sonny also successfully organized the first Norwood Black History Parade, which gathered crowds to celebrate and have positive engagement with their fellow Norwood residents. Sonny is described as a “bridge-builder, peacemaker, and a collaborator” by Sen. Cecil Thomas. “He speaks his mind out of love for his community and a sincere desire to build a stronger more diverse City of Norwood,” Thomas says.

Dana Boll
Nominated by Susan Daniels
Dana is an environmentalist who dedicates her time to informing Norwood residents about the effects of pollution and the importance of caring for the environment. Dana operates Keep Norwood Cool, an organization that aims to make Norwood more green as we grow as a city. She has worked closely with the school to educate children about climate concerns, planted donated trees along playground and resident housing, and provides Norwood with a passion for our city’s greenery. Dana puts great effort into adding more trees to the landscape of the city, even in areas that seem long forgotten about, while providing information on the importance of what she is doing and hosting informational meetings on how to improve Norwood’s environment and air quality.

Darlene Young
Nominated by Charlene Truss
Darlene is an active member of New Vision Missionary Baptist Church who volunteers regularly at the food pantry. She helps those who are food insecure, especially since the pandemic began and food insecurity seemed more pervasive, while acting with kindness and warmth. Darlene serves as a greeter and has a positive spirit that invites people of the community in. She greets any community member with a smile and has a radiant impact on New Vision as a whole. Charlene Truss says, “Darlene has an inviting spirit that touches the hearts of everyone she sees and greets, and as a greeter, allows the mission of New Vision to continue.”

Jeanne Sickinger
Nominated by Taylor Provins
Jeanne has carried out many projects in Norwood and is known for supporting events in her community, big or small. Jeanne has initiated community events like the Williams Ave Market which later combined with the Off-Pike Market, where she can be seen each spring and summer; helped with landscaping and more along Wasson Way; and was instrumental in the creation of the Williams Avenue Community Garden. Concerned about a vacant lot near her home, Jeanne worked to get permission from the city to make it what is now the community garden. With help from her neighbors, Jeanne maintains the garden, also now home to a Free Little Library, and serves as a gathering space to walk through, read books, or have neighborhood children explore. “When I think Norwood, I think Jeanne,” says Taylor Provins.

John Cappella
Nominated by Amanda Sinclair
John dedicates himself to the Gem of the Highlands 5k and uses his professional background to support the Norwood community and his expertise to improve the Norwood parks through fundraising. He challenges the Gem of the Highlands committee to do things with excellence and brings an attitude of positivity and joy to any environment he enters. Amanda Sinclair describes his dedication to the city by saying, “All the work he does to help this great neighborhood is through volunteering in the midst of being a husband, dad and full-time employee, and he does it with a smile on his face.” John would like to recognize the entire Gem of the 5k board for all of their hard work each year.

Josh Stoxen
Nominated by Chuck Smith
Pastor Josh Stoxen engages with Norwood through his many acts of service in the city. He works closely with businesses and organizations in Norwood to promote positivity and help amplify the voices of those around him. Josh leads the Community Coalition of the city that organizes food ministry and other helpful services to facilitate better access to programs and events that can help those in need. The coalition aims to make community services more accessible and available to those who need them, as well as bringing together these organizations that all aim to help the Norwood community. Chuck Smith says, “Josh is as engaged in benevolent ministry in Norwood more than anybody I know. Norwood is better with him!”

Kate Hand
Nominated by Melanie Mize and Amber Ballard
Kate is the Norwood neighbor who works to help the community in any way she can. Kate has volunteered her time, donated, and organized events to help push for positive change in Norwood. She personally has hosted campaign fundraisers and is active in the Norwood political scene in a positive and open minded manner. Kate pushed to move Norwood farther. She has been involved in projects large such as the Montgomery Road Clean-Up and the Norwood Pride Parade and loves to work with her community members to put on events that advocate for change. Amber Ballard adds that, “[Kate] has recently moved out of Norwood, but we wouldn’t be where we are right now without her efforts.”

Rodney Rogers
Nominated by Susan Daniels
Rodney was president of the Norwood Historical Society for over a decade and contributed much of the research on the history of Norwood that has set up the organization for success today. He is credited with bringing the Historical Society into the new age and dedicated countless time and effort to supporting the current president, Susan Daniels, with any inquiries or historical knowledge she could need from him. Rodney has also worked hard to keep the Linder Park trails clear and shows a clear care for the community. Susan Daniels thanks Rodney in saying, “I truly wouldn’t be able to run the historical society as President if it weren’t for Rodney’s commitment.”

Robert James
Nominated by Tiffani Williams, Javier Reyes, Nathan Lundy, Damon Romero, Leslie Du Pont, Sydney Reeves, Victoria Walker, and Dominick Heverin
Robert has gone out of his way of simply being a business owner in Norwood or a gym trainer. From helping friends in need when they are stranded an hour away, or helping change a tire in the worst of weather, Robert leaves a mark on the lives of those around them. He is known as a friend and a mentor, and loves to lead by example when working with troubled teens in the city. Robert encourages people from all walks of life to join in and live a healthier, fulfilling life through physical fitness but also to achieve a sense of belonging in the community to connect the people of Norwood. Robert demonstrated strong leadership and organizational skills by holding amateur boxing shows that encourage his community to come together and challenge themselves. Tiffany Williams says, “There are many reasons I’m nominating Mr. James for the Community Leadership award, but one of the most important reasons is his commitment to uplifting and building young men and women of the community… With his inspiring and loving guidance, he has changed the lives of many people from all walks of life.”

Diane Prather
Nominated by Lori Chaffin
Diane gives her time, energy and sometimes money to help the people of Norwood. She started Norwood Helping Norwood and has helped so many people and touched many lives! She has lived in Norwood most of her life and works as a health clerk for the Norwood School District. Diane demonstrates a strong commitment to Norwood by volunteering every week at Norwood Grace United Methodist Church serving meals to the community. She shows clear concern for the community and provides creativity in thinking and planning through her Facebook giving program Norwood Helping Norwood. On this page Norwood residents post things that they need and also what they have to give. Diane matches the need with the gift and uses her own resources, with the help of her teenagers, to  pick up and deliver the items to the family in need. Through this process she  also demonstrates the ability and initiative to bring people together to facilitate positive change.  

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Get your Historic Home Tour tickets now!

Brought to you by Norwood Together and Norwood Historical Society, this year’s historic home tour will start at Victory Park and walk through some of the oldest streets of Norwood.

We will be discussing architecture, history, gardening and how to keep chickens in a city. Each tour will be kept to a maximum size of 15 people, and tour times are 20 minutes apart. Come rain or shine, this is an outside walking tour lasting roughly 70-80 minutes and covering a mile in diameter.

The tour begins and ends in the at Victory Park at the corner of Montgomery Road and Mills Avenue

At the end of the tour, enjoy a fall market brought to you by the Norwood’s Off Pike Market! Crafters and food vendors, festivities and pumpkins! 

This event is sponsored by Realtor Jennifer McGillis, UDF, Ventura Builders Group, Cappy’s and Off Pike Market.

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Norwood Together, Northwood Cider Co. earn Duke Energy grant

A $20,000 Duke Energy grant will help transform the old brakeshop at 2075 Mills Ave. into Northwood Cider Co.

The grant, awarded to Norwood Together and Northwood Cider Co., was one of eight urban revitalization grants distributed by Duke Energy this year to redevelopment and small business assistance programs across southwest Ohio and Northern Kentucky. In all, Duke Energy is investing $250,000 in the region.

“Keeping our communities vibrant is critical now more than ever,” said Norwood Together President Mary C. Miller in the press release announcing the Duke Energy grants. “Receiving this grant from Duke Energy will allow us to pay for the pre-development costs and accelerate bringing Northwood Cider Company to Norwood. Duke Energy’s grant is a testament to their commitment to helping small businesses and local economies. And, for that we’re grateful.”

Economic and small business development are key priorities for Norwood Together. In the Quality of Life study that began Norwood Together, at community meetings and events, and in countless conversations among neighbors, Norwood residents have said they want businesses that give them places to go and gather.

The Montgomery Road Redevelopment Plan, created in partnership with the City of Norwood and Hamilton County Planning + Development, also calls for economic development around Mills Avenue, right in the heart of Norwood’s business corridor.

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Making a difference at Millcrest

On June 26, help a Norwood teen make a difference at Lower Millcrest Park.

Diana Ferra Villalobos, a Norwood resident and senior at Mount Notre Dame Academy, is organizing a clean-up of Lower Millcrest Park from 9 a.m. to noon June 26. Norwood Together and Keep Cincinnati Beautiful are supporting the project.

To help, all you have to do is show up!

Here’s an essay Villalobos wrote about why she decided to clean up Lower Millcrest:

The Meaning of Millcrest
By Diana Ferra Villalobos

The one planet that allows us to live is deteriorating. Unfortunately, I did not come to that conclusion until I saw the effects of it.

In 2020, our world was turned upside-down, especially with COVID-19 and quarantining.  However, we must not forget the tragic wildfires in California that had taken many souls and homes. From the moment I saw the skies turn grey, the birds fly away, and the trees turn to ashes, I knew that our only home was being destroyed. I want a better, more beautiful earth for us all. This is why my project focuses on Millcrest park.

 I moved to Norwood in December 2019, but it wasn’t until this year that I frequented Millcrest. It was also this year that I attended my very first clean-up (also at Millcrest), and it came to my attention that there is a lot more garbage than I expected. I went to this clean-up and had to move around the roots and plants just so I could reach a can of Sprite. I believe that my family and I spent around three hours there, but we couldn’t get everything. I don’t want it to be that way anymore.

I want us to walk around Millcrest freely without having to see a bag of chips, cans, or beer. Not only is this dangerous for the little ones, but it also harms our plant life. The space that the garbage is taking up could have been for flowers, but now it is reserved for plastic debris. However, that can change. We can change that, which is why this project is so important to me. Not only are we taking initiative, but we are also creating space for new life to grow. The earth has allowed us to survive, I am simply hoping we can return the favor.

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Summer fun in Norwood

There are so many opportunities for spending time with your family and fellow Norwood neighbors this summer. If you would like to get outside, get involved, or hangout, Norwood Parks are where all the action is this year! 

Find out more about the events listed below and other Norwood happenings at your Ward Community Council meeting. Each Ward Community Council meets on the last Thursday of the month at 7 p.m. The next meeting is May 27. Location information is on the Norwood Together Facebook page.


6:30 pm June 4: Fridays on the Lawn: Food Trucks, Victory Park
8:30 pm June 11: Fridays on the Lawn: Movie Night, Victory Park
9 am June 19: Off Pike Market, Victory Park
9:45 am June 19: Lindner Park Volunteer Day
7 pm June 24: Ward Community Councils
5:45 pm June 25: Lindner Park Volunteer Day
6:30 pm June 25: Fridays on the Lawn: Concert, Victory Park
7 pm June 25: Shakespeare in the Park, Northwoods
9 am June 26: Lower Millcrest Park Clean-Up


6:30 pm July 2: Fridays on the Lawn: Concert, Victory Park
8:30 pm July 9: Fridays on the Lawn: Movie Night, Victory Park
6:30 pm July 16: Fridays on the Lawn: Concert, Victory Park
9 am July 17: Off Pike Market, Victory Park
7 pm July 22: Ward Community Councils
6:30 pm July 23: Fridays on the Lawn: Food trucks, Victory Park
6:30 pm July 27: Norwood Day Parade, Montgomery Road
10 am-7pm July 28: Norwood Day at Coney Island
6:30 pm July 30: Fridays on the Lawn, Victory Park
7pm July 31: Shakespeare in the Park, Dorl Field


6:30 pm August 6: Fridays on the Lawn: Food trucks, Victory Park
7pm August 13: Shakespeare in the Park: Romeo & Juliet, Upper Millcrest Park
8:30 pm August 13: Fridays on the Lawn: Movie Night, Victory Park
6:30 pm August 20: Fridays on the Lawn: Concert, Victory Park
9 am August 21: Off Pike Market, Victory Park
7 pm August 26: Ward Community Councils

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City adopts Montgomery Road Plan

This spring, City Council approved a resolution to adopt the Montgomery Road Redevelopment Plan to guide the future of the corridor from Dana Avenue to the Norwood Lateral.

You can review the plan here.

The Montgomery Road Plan is the result of a $30,000 planning grant secured in 2020 by Norwood Together and the City of Norwood. A steering committee of residents, city officials, and business leaders have been helping Hamilton County planners create a vision for Montgomery Road, a blueprint to “relaunch the Pike,” as Mayor Schneider says.

Despite covid restrictions, Norwood Together and the City of Norwood hosted several public meetings last fall — in person at the Community Center and over Zoom — to allow residents to share their feedback on a draft of the plan. County planners then incorporated residents’ ideas in the final plan. 

The City and Norwood Together hope to work on a similar plan for the north end of Montgomery Road, from the Norwood Lateral to the city’s border, soon.

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Norwood Clean-Up Week is March 20-27!

The goal: Get our city ready for a spring and summer of fun! The week includes several city-wide, volunteer Clean-Up events, opportunities for you and your neighbors to work together to get rid of winter mess. Here’s the schedule: 

  • Montgomery Road Clean-Up: 9 to 11 a.m. Saturday, March 20; meet at City Hall to get supplies.
  • Knothole Baseball Field Clean-Up: 11 a.m. Saturday, March 20; meet at Dorl Field.
  • Lower Millcrest Cutting Party: 5 to 7 p.m. Wednesday, March 24; volunteers will be cutting out invasive undergrowth; bring gloves, saws, and loppers, if you have them. 
  • Citywide Parks Clean-Up: 9 a.m. to noon Saturday, March 27; meet at your favorite park and bring gloves and yard tools (rakes, etc.) if you have them. 

During the week, we hope you will take the opportunity to clean up around your own house and neighborhood. Pick up yard waste bags (FREE!) from the Norwood Health Department, 2059 Sherman Avenue. Report potholes or other issues to Public Works with the city’s new See, Click It, Fix It! app. Go on a litter walk with your family.

And here’s your chance to win that $50 Lowe’s gift card
. During Clean-Up Week, go on a litter walk in your neighborhood and take a picture of you and the trash you pick up. Post that picture on Norwood Together’s Facebook page. Every photo is one entry in a raffle. On March 27, we’ll pick a winner. 

Watch our Facebook page and this newsletter for more updates on Norwood Clean-Up Week. 

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